Left to Right: Savage Pencil, Winston Smith, and John J Heartfield at the Orbital Comics Event, London, May 19, 2018.
TIME: 0:00 – 03:52 Winston & John discuss collage art and historical events
TIME: 3:53 – 13:30 John briefly recounts critical formative events in his grandfather’s cinematic life story
Winston Smith & John J Heartfield Chat With Savage Pencil in London
In May 2018, Winston and John joined Savage Pencil in an informal discussion about the effect and history of collage art. Winston Smith is one of the greatest collage artists of modern times. His work has appeared on venues as varied as New Yorker covers and famous punk band albums. Winston is a San Francisco icon.
Many years ago, while leafing through books, Winston discovered photomontages by the groundbreaking antifascist artist John Heartfield. Winston says those collages profoundly affected him, and he names John Heartfield one of his most important influences.
This video features the iconic collage artist Winston Smith & John J Heartfield, the grandson of Dadaist John Heartfield, in a conversation with Savage Pencil in London, May 2018.
John J Heartfield On Meeting Winston Smith In San Francisco In 2016
City Lights Bookstore asked me to speak at the 2016 DADA WORLD FAIR. The event was to take place in Winston Smith’s Collage Museum in North Beach at 8 PM on a November evening, three days before the fateful 2016 presidential election. Whenever I speak to an audience, I like to have a technical check-up a few hours before to purge the inevitable “demo gremlins.” So I arranged to meet with Winston around noon for a soundcheck. When I walked into the Collage Museum, I couldn’t believe the sheer amount, variety, and quality of the art stored there. There were posters, sculptures, original collages, and much more. There were hundreds of pieces to view, and each worth a close examination.
Winston and I took care of technical matters in about fifteen minutes. Then, always the gracious host, Winston opened a bottle of Chianti, and we sat down for a quick chat. That brief chat lasted from noon to 7 PM. It only paused for a few minutes when Winston’s wife, Chick, a gourmet vegetarian chef, laid out a sumptuous meal for all of us. Winston and I, two strangers at noon, had chatted non-stop for seven hours. In those hours, we became good friends.
Winston and John in London, 2018
Since that day, Winston and I have had many long talks. Winston, Chick, my wife, Michelle, and I shared a flat in London for a week before this event with Savage Pencil. Talking with Winston is always a joy and an experience. A while ago, I told him that he weaves memories, opinions, and facts together into a fascinating audio collage when we talk. He immediately agreed.
I’m delighted that Winston Smith is one of the eminent modern collage artists featured in The John Heartfield Exhibition. My grandfather would have loved, as I do, to sit, drink wine, and chat with Winston for hours.